Bov'a ir tu
Bov'a ir tu
Radau protingų žmogų iš už balos straipsniuką apie Bov. Skaičiau ir iš kairės į dešinę ir iš viršaus į apačią, bet taip ir nesupratau ar bovą geriau sabačint prieš ic ar iškart po jo?
Let’s take a quick look at the BOV (Blow Off Valve) and what it does for you and your car.
First, a quick history lesson.
Q. Where did the BOV come from, who could possibly have made something that sounds so cool?
A. Porsche, Duh. Developed for there race cars (early 80's i believe) it was patented as a Pop Off Valve. You may still hear some old timers refer to it as such.
There, now you have learned something today, and can wow your drunken friends at the bar.
Ok, let’s take a look at what this little gizmo does.
The BOV releases the pressurized air from the intake pipes when you lift your foot off the throttle; either to shift, or just to hear the cool sound.
Now, why do we need to do this? To taunt others in to racing? Just because it sounds cool? Possibly, who knows with those Germans, those may have been underlying reasons. Actually the intended purpose was actually for performance.
When you lift your foot the throttle plate closes, and that air bounces off the throttle plate and makes it way back towards the turbo. When that air gets back to the turbo it will try to spin it backwards (compressor surge).
Now when you reopen the throttle the turbo has been slowed, or even stalled, and needs to be reaccelerated. With a BOV in place, this air would never make its way back to the turbo, and the turbo would be able to continue spinning freely. Now when you get back on the throttle your turbo is still spinning from before, and will spool more quickly.
Lets take a look at BOV placement.
Some will argue that it should be near the throttle body, others say closer to the turbo.
Well, lets look where Porsche put it on their race cars.
Porsche made the BOV part of the compressor housing, and redirected the compressed air to the turbo inlet. Pretty slick, huh?
I am from the close to the turbo camp, and i will explain why.
1. The air doesn’t just bounce back off of the throttle plate, there are sharp bends in the pipe, and a giant obstruction called an intercooler in the way. 2. By placing it near the turbo you vent only the air that has made it back to the turbo, leaving the rest of the pipe with some pressurized air still in it.
3. Having the BOV after the intercooler vents air the ic has already cooled. Kind of a waste, dont ya think?
Placing the BOV near the throttle body seems to be out of ease. Just like the boost pressure reference nipple being on the turbo housing. (We all know pressure in the housing is not the pressure in the manifold) It was just easier, and less costly that way.
Now i am sure you have been reading this and saying to yourself "Hey, i thought the BOV was to keep the turbo from getting surge and damaging it." It does do that, but that was not its original intent.
And that my friends is the BOV and you.
Let’s take a quick look at the BOV (Blow Off Valve) and what it does for you and your car.
First, a quick history lesson.
Q. Where did the BOV come from, who could possibly have made something that sounds so cool?
A. Porsche, Duh. Developed for there race cars (early 80's i believe) it was patented as a Pop Off Valve. You may still hear some old timers refer to it as such.
There, now you have learned something today, and can wow your drunken friends at the bar.
Ok, let’s take a look at what this little gizmo does.
The BOV releases the pressurized air from the intake pipes when you lift your foot off the throttle; either to shift, or just to hear the cool sound.
Now, why do we need to do this? To taunt others in to racing? Just because it sounds cool? Possibly, who knows with those Germans, those may have been underlying reasons. Actually the intended purpose was actually for performance.
When you lift your foot the throttle plate closes, and that air bounces off the throttle plate and makes it way back towards the turbo. When that air gets back to the turbo it will try to spin it backwards (compressor surge).
Now when you reopen the throttle the turbo has been slowed, or even stalled, and needs to be reaccelerated. With a BOV in place, this air would never make its way back to the turbo, and the turbo would be able to continue spinning freely. Now when you get back on the throttle your turbo is still spinning from before, and will spool more quickly.
Lets take a look at BOV placement.
Some will argue that it should be near the throttle body, others say closer to the turbo.
Well, lets look where Porsche put it on their race cars.
Porsche made the BOV part of the compressor housing, and redirected the compressed air to the turbo inlet. Pretty slick, huh?
I am from the close to the turbo camp, and i will explain why.
1. The air doesn’t just bounce back off of the throttle plate, there are sharp bends in the pipe, and a giant obstruction called an intercooler in the way. 2. By placing it near the turbo you vent only the air that has made it back to the turbo, leaving the rest of the pipe with some pressurized air still in it.
3. Having the BOV after the intercooler vents air the ic has already cooled. Kind of a waste, dont ya think?
Placing the BOV near the throttle body seems to be out of ease. Just like the boost pressure reference nipple being on the turbo housing. (We all know pressure in the housing is not the pressure in the manifold) It was just easier, and less costly that way.
Now i am sure you have been reading this and saying to yourself "Hey, i thought the BOV was to keep the turbo from getting surge and damaging it." It does do that, but that was not its original intent.
And that my friends is the BOV and you.
Kaip supratau bov'a skirta ne tam, kad nuleistų slėgį visoje kanalizacijoje, o tik tą orą, kuris kėsinasi atpoosti atgal į Turbo, taip sustabdydamą Turbo sukimasį. O kuo daugiau oro liko kanalizacijoje po to yra geriau, nes lengviau ją vėl užslėgint. Mano manymu bov'a geriausiai instalint iškart po Turbo, vat kaip Mantas (Turboservisas) patarė kolegai su raudonu s14a.
Na gerai, pastatai arčiau kolektoriaus. Oro sklendė užsidaro ir visas suslėgtas oras, kuris lekia pakeliui į kolektorių, pššššššššššš per bov'ą. To pasekoje visoje kanalizacijojse nuo T iki pat kolektoriaus suslėgto oro nebėra. Nors ir nėra atgal grįžtančio oro, kuris stabdytų T (bov nebuvimo atveju), tačiau visa kanalizacija lieka be slėgio, tai reiškia kad Turbai reikia per naujo slėgint orą palei visą vamzdyną ir taip gaunamas ilgas lag'as.Airbog wrote:Mantas taip ir sake. Ir pas mane taip ir sumontuotas. Jei neklystu, tai ir tame S14a taip bus (yra).Torva wrote:imho bov'as turi eiti kuo arciau oro kolektoriaus sklendes
Tokios apatiškos mintys man kilo po to kai Idago isistatė bov'ą arti kolektoriaus ir taip jam acirado lag'as, nes po kiekvieno šaibos perjungimo per naujo reikia poosti visą vamzdyną.
bovas yra reguliuojamas daiktas. Ji gali ir visai uzsukti, ar ne? Jeigu ne - jis gaidys. My 2 cents.
Uzduoti bovo as isivaizduoju sitaip: jis turi isleisti visa VIRSslegi, o ne kapitaliai numusti slegi sistemoje.Tai kur bedos? Bedos yra tame, kad kiekviena saiba(rpm vs boost) turi savo optimalu slegi ant kurio atsiduria variklis po pavaros perjungimo. Todel reikalingas tas vadinamas antilagas, arba elektroninis brangus ir krutas boost kontroleris...yra ir mechaniniu ir "pasidark pac" tipo...Nu karoce....kodel man turbos ir neptinka - tai kompleksiska sistema su dxja judanciu detaliu, kurios labai megsta pabludyt...
Uzduoti bovo as isivaizduoju sitaip: jis turi isleisti visa VIRSslegi, o ne kapitaliai numusti slegi sistemoje.Tai kur bedos? Bedos yra tame, kad kiekviena saiba(rpm vs boost) turi savo optimalu slegi ant kurio atsiduria variklis po pavaros perjungimo. Todel reikalingas tas vadinamas antilagas, arba elektroninis brangus ir krutas boost kontroleris...yra ir mechaniniu ir "pasidark pac" tipo...Nu karoce....kodel man turbos ir neptinka - tai kompleksiska sistema su dxja judanciu detaliu, kurios labai megsta pabludyt...
geriau kai taves nekencia uz tai kuo esi, negu gerbia uz tai, kuo apsimeti esas.
Idejus is kart uz turbo butu lygiai tas pac. Levas BOV'as, tik tiek galiu pasakyt.g wrote:Tokios apatiškos mintys man kilo po to kai Idago isistatė bov'ą arti kolektoriaus ir taip jam acirado lag'as, nes po kiekvieno šaibos perjungimo per naujo reikia poosti visą vamzdyną.
EDIT: Per kiek manai milisekundziu pripucia "visą vamzdyną"?
Last edited by Conan on 03 Jul 2005, 23:02, edited 1 time in total.
Somebody do something! I've got a tank on my ass!
Kodel manai, kad nuo bovo vietos p[riklauso ar iseina visas oras ar ne?g wrote:Oro sklendė užsidaro ir visas suslėgtas oras, kuris lekia pakeliui į kolektorių, pššššššššššš per bov'ą.
Nei taip nei taip. Arba priesh pats droseli, arba ishkart uzh turbinos. O kuri ish shiu variantu rinktis - tavo nuozhiura... yra ishsakoma minchiu ir uz viena ir uzh kita...g wrote:Skaičiau ir iš kairės į dešinę ir iš viršaus į apačią, bet taip ir nesupratau ar bovą geriau sabačint prieš ic ar iškart po jo?
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siknoj kirmeliu iseshkojimas, nemanau ar kas nors is jusu pajus skirtuma sumontaves bov'a pries ic ar pries tb. Tiesiog teorishkai montuojant is kart pries tb turetu greiciau (kokiom .00x ms ) reaguoti uzsidarius sklendei. 
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Del to kam Bov'as reikalingas yra ir daugiau pamastymu.. man atrodo musu visu atveju jis reikalingas tik tam, kad darytu 'pssss'g wrote:Kaip supratau bov'a skirta ne tam, kad nuleistų slėgį visoje kanalizacijoje, o tik tą orą, kuris kėsinasi atpoosti atgal į Turbo, taip sustabdydamą Turbo sukimasį.
Mantas aiskino ne kur geriau statyti bov'a, o kurioj vietoj jis garsiau psss darysg wrote:Mano manymu bov'a geriausiai instalint iškart po Turbo, vat kaip Mantas (Turboservisas) patarė kolegai su raudonu s14a.
Man asmeniškai pofyg tas pšššš, svarbiausia, kad Turbo nestandytų. O kolegai duskinui taip patarė dėt, nes tuo tokiu būdu susidaro minimalus kampas orui išsikvėpti ir šiaip tik ten vietos padoriai yra - taigi pšššš ten bus didžiausias beje ir naudingiausias. Čia mano manymu. Na o jūs mielieji geriau viską žinot. 
Uzmesk aki i sita straipsniuka.
Gal pasikeis tavo nuomone apie tai kam reikalingas bov'as ir ar apskritai jis reikalingas..
Anyway, nemanau kad verta aptarineti is naujo tai, kas simtus kartu kalbeta.. Manau abu liksim prie savosios nuomones.. As rimtai galvoju siek tiek pazaides su bov'u, visai ji isimti.. Pidgeon'o garsas ne ka prastesnis uz bet koki pshshshsh
Gal pasikeis tavo nuomone apie tai kam reikalingas bov'as ir ar apskritai jis reikalingas..
Anyway, nemanau kad verta aptarineti is naujo tai, kas simtus kartu kalbeta.. Manau abu liksim prie savosios nuomones.. As rimtai galvoju siek tiek pazaides su bov'u, visai ji isimti.. Pidgeon'o garsas ne ka prastesnis uz bet koki pshshshsh
Kazkaip nesklandziai cia sakini sudeliojai...Airbog wrote:To duskinas - kad ish Manto formuluotes supratau, kad jis sake, kur yra naudingiau, o kur garsas didesnis (atitinkamai - pries sklende ir uz turbos).
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Beje, vakar pasistaciau ta turboserviso blova
Pirmi ispudziai.. nzn nuo kokio slegio jis atsidaro, bet kad svelniai gazuojant iki 3k rpm ir staigiai atleidziant gaza jis neveikia, tai faktas! Girdisi kaip turba burkuoja(skid'ina)- ir jokio blovo snypshtimo.
Nors kol kas pavazinejau visai nedaug.. reikia nuodugnesniu tyrimu ir stebejimu
Viskas ten gerai sudeliota - gali perskaityti dar syki.duskinas wrote:Kazkaip nesklandziai cia sakini sudeliojai...Airbog wrote:To duskinas - kad ish Manto formuluotes supratau, kad jis sake, kur yra naudingiau, o kur garsas didesnis (atitinkamai - pries sklende ir uz turbos).
Edit:
Beje, vakar pasistaciau ta turboserviso blovai beveik standartinio vieta..
Pirmi ispudziai.. nzn nuo kokio slegio jis atsidaro, bet kad svelniai gazuojant iki 3k rpm ir staigiai atleidziant gaza jis neveikia, tai faktas! Girdisi kaip turba burkuoja(skid'ina)- ir jokio blovo snypshtimo.
Nors kol kas pavazinejau visai nedaug.. reikia nuodugnesniu tyrimu ir stebejimuir dar nezinau kaip patikrint ar jis tikrai ant laisvu apsuku nesiurbia. (variklis iskart po uzvedimo veikia tolygiai- geras zenklas)
Kas liecia BOV'a - jis iki 3 krpm tikrai mazai girdimas. Veliau rimciau.
as kartoju: esu beveik tikras, kad jis nuo 3 ar 3.5 k atleidus net neveikia, nes aiskiai girdisi "pidgeon warble"Airbog wrote: Kas liecia BOV'a - jis iki 3 krpm tikrai mazai girdimas. Veliau rimciau.
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Jo, reikia ant aukstesniu saibu pabandyt.. nes, kaip zinia, ant 1os ir 2os saibos slegi kompas apkarpo
