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Group Buy ??? (Ex: New AFC)

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http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5385

gal ka sudomins? kaina tai cool visai :)

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dar dalykas kuriuo visa tai programuosis


beje ateityje budeli zada buti papildytas boost control ir extra injector management galimybemis
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Cia truputi anksciau m2666 atkreipe musu demesi... Autospeed jau seniai anonsavo - cia ju developinti zhaislai.


Shitie daiktai shiaip labai elementarus ("nenavorochenni") - bet ir labai pigus.

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5385
Digital Fuel Adjuster (DFA). Air/fuel piggybackas :). 128 load points.

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5384
Digital Pulse Adjuster (DPA). Soleinoido pulsavimo valdiklis... Galima naudot kaip pvz boost kontroleri arba additional injector controlleri.

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5386
Hand Controller for Digital Adjusters (HC). Hand held controleris tiems dviems. Naudojamas kad tuos suprogramint... Suprograminai ir atjungei... Siaip jei patys nesiruoshiat daznai perprogramindinet, tai jis ish esmes nereikalingas... (vieno sito zaislo ir zmogaus ishmanancio kaip juo naudotis butu sociai. Na gerai - dvieju, triju...)

Prekyboj jie turi pasirodyt Lapkrity.
(Ash shiaip pats tai matyt tikrai pirksiu, jei sukaupsiu babu :). Shiaip jis man visai nereikalingas - bet bus galima pazaisti, paeksperimentuot...)

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spade wrote: Prekyboj jie turi pasirodyt Lapkrity.
(Ash shiaip pats tai matyt tikrai pirksiu, jei sukaupsiu babu :). Shiaip jis man visai nereikalingas - bet bus galima pazaisti, paeksperimentuot...)

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hmm tai zinoma labai viliojantis variantas (uz 220 u.e gaunam piggyback/boost control galimybes.... na tik soilenoid'o da reiks o ir map sensorius neprosal butu) gaila tik ignition controlo nera. as bandysiu UMS'o laukti, nors tiesa pasakius da i pats dorai nezinau..
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davai paaishkinkit populiariai ka as gausiu juos isigijes?
tipo galesiu reguliot boosta - panasiai kaip su savo relie valveč tik navaroceniau?
ir reguliuoti a/f santyki priklausomai nuo to ir nepriklausomai nuo gimto ECU :?
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spade wrote:Shitie daiktai shiaip labai elementarus ("nenavorochenni") - bet ir labai pigus.
aisku domina...bet noretusi daugiau info, gal yra autospeed jau yra kokiu reviews'u?
kazin kaip ten su monitoringu butu....
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Sheikhas wrote:davai paaishkinkit populiariai ka as gausiu juos isigijes?
tipo galesiu reguliot boosta - panasiai kaip su savo relie valveč tik navaroceniau?
navarotna bus tai, kad galesi pasirinkti kada pradeti atidarineti wg, tam kad kazkiek sumazinti creep'a, dar turbut galesi pasidaryt kokius 3 settingsus, su nustatytais boosto kiekiais, taippat turetu jautrumas slegio reguliuotis... vienzo boosta kontroliuos tavo sudaryta "programa"
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ir reguliuoti a/f santyki priklausomai nuo to ir nepriklausomai nuo gimto ECU :?
sitas kiek suprantu emuliuos AFM, MAP parodymus, bet ne visama diapazone(kaip daro padidintas slegis kuro, afm'o spyruokles perstatymas, ir visokios varzos) pakels ar nuleis, bet galesi tai padaryt 128 tashkuose(pakeisti mapa), pvz. galesi padaryt kad butu ekonomiska celka :)
vienzo turesi boost'ui/papildomam injectoriui ir afm'ui/map'ui siokia tokia management system. beje mazdu forume sake kad jis gali buti papildytas visokiais featurais....
p.s. gali buti kad as irgi kazka maisau :)
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m2666 wrote:navarotna bus tai, kad galesi pasirinkti kada pradeti atidarineti wg, tam kad kazkiek sumazinti creep'a
As arba neusprantu, kas yra creep'as arba galvoti tingiu. Nesuprantu kaip wg atidarymas vienu ar kitu metu gali ji sumazinti...

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del pirmo punkto - neleabai dar isikirtau i jo reikalinguma, koks man skirtumas kada jis ta wg atidarines, ka as gauciau daugiau negu elementarus dabar vartojamas reliefvalve, kuris pilnai mane patenkina.
Del a/f tai daug maz isivaizduoju, kad galeciau priklausomai nuo boosto keisti a/f santyki - cia jau geriau.
Kas dar?
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Pvz 5 purkstukas.

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tonic wrote:As arba neusprantu, kas yra creep'as arba galvoti tingiu. Nesuprantu kaip wg atidarymas vienu ar kitu metu gali ji sumazinti...
as isivaizduoju creep'a, kai per w/g (delto kad pradeda atsidarineti per velai) nespeja islesiti duju pertekliaus ir del to padideja boostas iki cuttinimo (arba detonacijos). o pulsuoklis(valdiklis) nublydina dali duju i w/g leisdamas jam kiek galima pasilikti praviram... aisku tai visiskai nepanaikins creep'o bet sumazina tai tikrai. (labai panasiu principu dirba turbo smart:e-boost, bet jo kaina ~1700lt)

o gal as papraschiausiai netaip pavadinau?
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tonic wrote:Pvz 5 purkstukas.
netik kuro :) o ir nos'o, vandens, metanolio ir t.t.
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ar as teisingai suprantu kad uz kuro kontroleri gaunasi 71$?:)

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Ir jei netycia nepastebejai: Current Currency displayed: $AUD ;)

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ot jei tai perskaityciau valstybine kalba....
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noriu zinot ka man tas idejus i stoc'ini su padaryta isiurbimo ir ismetimo sistems duos :?:
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Sheikhas wrote:davai paaishkinkit populiariai ka as gausiu juos isigijes?
tipo galesiu reguliot boosta - panasiai kaip su savo relie valveč tik navaroceniau?
ir reguliuoti a/f santyki priklausomai nuo to ir nepriklausomai nuo gimto ECU :?
Kaip m2666 pastebejo - kol kas nera autospeede straipsniu apie shitus zhaislus - kaip suprantu jie laukia, kol bus paleisti i rinka. Taigi apmastymai gali but grindziami tik aprasymu jaycar peidze...

A/f piggybackas ka daro, tai ish esmes keicia afm'o parodymus, kuriuos gauna kompas. Tai leidzia riebint/liesint mishini. Kai shitas zaislas programinamas, tai galima praktishkai pilnai susimappint kura... na iki stock purkshtuku ir/ar afm'o ribos... Nors zhinoma gali pakeist purkstukus ir/ar afma i didesnius ir shito zaislo pagalba viska sumappint, kad piltu normaliai ir tada kada reikia...

Pulse kontrolleris, kiek suprantu valdo solenoido pulsavima... O solenoidu gali buti slegio valdymo solenoidas arba kuro purkstukas... Valdymas zinoma priklauso nuo inputu, kurie aprashyme neniurodyti. Bet jei gali valdyt papildoma purkstuka, tai manau, kad rpm inputas turi buti...
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spade wrote:Kaip m2666 pastebejo - kol kas nera autospeede straipsniu apie shitus zhaislus - kaip suprantu jie laukia, kol bus paleisti i rinka. Taigi apmastymai gali but grindziami tik aprasymu jaycar peidze...
tika gavau ziniu is mazdistu forumo, kad awstralieciai jau graibsto jaycar produktus. deja ju puslapyje vis dar kabo iskaba "coming soon"
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na tai... perkam ar ka :?
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Sheikhas wrote:na tai... perkam ar ka :?
bijau kad jis dar not for sale...
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nu tajgy sakaw lokaliai awstraliugos jau perka, kada inete bus nezinia
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Taigi, atsirado prekyboj. Manau galim pabandyt organizuot group buy'ju.
Norintieji registruojasi ir nurodykit kuri daikta (...-iuos ...-us) norit imt.

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spade wrote:Taigi, atsirado prekyboj. Manau galim pabandyt organizuot group buy'ju.
Norintieji registruojasi ir nurodykit kuri daikta (...-iuos ...-us) norit imt.
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As galbut ir prisideciau, jeigu butu daugiau info apie ta DPA. Nes dabar neaisku, kokias varzas jis gali "paadjustinti", su kiek ampu solenoidais jisai gali dirbti ir t.t. Cia ka raso apie "bet koki" solenoida, tai ju gali buti labai ivairiu. Purkstukas nuo wastegeito solenoido skiriasi juk, ar ne? Be to, raso, kad jis keicia iseinanti kompo pulsa, o tie irgi buna ivairus, nes tarkim saturaciniu ir peak'n'hold draiveriu juk signalai skiriasi irgi, ar ne? Buciau didesnis elektronikos zinovas, pac ju pasiklausciau, bet neisvartysiu tokiu bazaru... :roll:
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ikisiu trigrasi...

visu pirma nupuskit sita
Save target as ir t.t.

reikia paieskot daugiau info apie juos, nes blia labai domina, nu bet aprasymu niekur nera, o knyga su ju labai plachiais ir tik siem produktam skirtais aprasymais atsiras po 5-6 menesiu...

gal kokio manualo uzsiprasyt pas juos or smth?

karoche Su Naujais jus!!! Daug psi ir gero misinio!

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nugi skamba graziai, ir dar visai idomus butu tas injektoriu duty cycle meteris bei independent electronic boost controleris.
Po galais reik nupirkt komlekta viso to stufo ir duot kokiam elektronscikui nekreivom rankom, negi neppristampuotu pigiau uz kenguras :)
ir kas ten per electronics project book'as :?:
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