RacingOil (kitaip sakant koki tepala pasirinkti)
nors klausi ir ne manes, bet isikisiu, nes as butent toki ir pilu. jau 4as kartas laukia (po keliu tukstanciu km dar). siaip tai VR-1 semi synthetic. bet man jis atrodo geras ir toksr7kyc82k wrote:aisku. o ka manai apie walvolina? 10w-60 VR1 Racing
esmi juo patenkintas ir ruosiuosi toliau pirkt ir pilt 
(tiesa, reik paminet, jog uz tai, kad VR-1 pusiau sintetinis buvo pasmerktas forume
bet cia - kiekvienam savo. pusiau sintetinio VR-11l brangesnis arba = kai kurioms full sintetikoms
)p.s. paskutini karta idomiai buvo su pirkimu. fasuoja po 5l ir 1l.
as kaip ir kiekvienas lietuvis taupydamas perku visada po 5l. pardavejas paskutini syki klause, ar as VR-1 patenkintas. sakau taip, tik galetu tara but tarpine (tarkim 3l) tai jis ir sako, kad perkant po 1l skirtumas susidaro tik 2lt. t.y. 5l-113lt, o 1l x 5 x 23lt=115lt. va kas buna kai nesugebi pasidaugint
(cia siaip smagus dalykas, kad nereikia uz mazesne tara 6 kartus daugiau sumoket 
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tiesiog atejai ir paprasei ? man irgi butu gerai pigiau 
i deze pilk pagal gamintoja, tik sintetika.r7kyc82k wrote:pasiemiau walvoline 10w60 su nuolaida,(4ltr-80lt) isipiliau-
ahujenas tepalas, nepazint variklio
daba ieskau kur i deze pilasi, bo ten irgi keisiu.....
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As dabar susipyliau VR1 5W50 (is Ramo323f). pries tai ieskojau butent tokio Mobilio...Zodziu, kainos visur panasios (~125 lt), kadangi importuotojas (Markeviciaus imone) po tiek stumdo..Tiesa, skambinau jiems, tai kazka apie 15 lt bakeliui pazadejo nuleist, bet ir tai daug myke...Sheikhas wrote:tarp kitko senukuose maciau Mobil1 kazkoki raly racing SuperSyn 5w50.
Kas nors gali gaut pigiau negu 125Lt/4ltr.
O to kaina ELF Exellium 10W-50 man visai patinka
Sveiki,
Siaip visiems turbininiams patartina pilti 10-15W60 sintetika. Nes visi 0W50 ir tt megsta suskisteti prie aukstu temp labai.
As naudoju millers motorsport 15W60. savo audi 2.2 turbo.
Manau iki metu pabaigos pradesime vezti i lt. Vienas dalykas kur man patinka kad jie fasuoja bakeliais po 5 litrus, tai nereikia dasipirkineti 1 litro kaip su RS.
Kaina jo mazesne uz rs'a.
Siaip visiems turbininiams patartina pilti 10-15W60 sintetika. Nes visi 0W50 ir tt megsta suskisteti prie aukstu temp labai.
As naudoju millers motorsport 15W60. savo audi 2.2 turbo.
Manau iki metu pabaigos pradesime vezti i lt. Vienas dalykas kur man patinka kad jie fasuoja bakeliais po 5 litrus, tai nereikia dasipirkineti 1 litro kaip su RS.
Kaina jo mazesne uz rs'a.
esme tame kad millers tas yra competition o ne gatvinis. Aisku jie turi ir gatvine serija tepalu.r7kyc82k wrote:tai kad 5w50 ar 10w60 po 20lt litras walvoline, tai nemanau kad kas ka pigiau pasiulys.....
Cia kaip su RS yra 0W40 ir yra 10W60.
Gatvinem bando stumti 0, kai 10 jau sunkaiu darosi rasti.
Ziuresiu, kai zinosiu tikslaiu del millers, duosiu zinoti.
na va susipyliau siandien jau trecia karta Total racing 4T 10w-50 su pakeitimu ir filtru 100lt Dabar aktyviau vazinetis pradejus susitariau kas pora menesiu pasikeisti. Beje isorines savybes, kvapas, jutimas(slydimas tarp pirstu), spalva nusistovejusio nepasikeitusios - kiek lyginau nauja ir is variklio.
su pakeitimu ir filtru 100lt Dabar aktyviau vazinetis pradejus susitariau kas pora menesiu pasikeisti. Beje isorines savybes, kvapas, jutimas(slydimas tarp pirstu), spalva nusistovejusio nepasikeitusios - kiek lyginau nauja ir is variklio...
Cia gi motociklams skirta alyva .... kam tu ja i masina pili ?
http://www.total-spb.ru/engine/print/2/6.html
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07' Octavia RS
07' Octavia RS
Normali 4taktciams skirta alyva, koks skirtumas ar motociklamas ar auto.
Tuo labiau kad motociklai 2x didesnem apsukom bruzhina.
>2 sezonus su totalu atvazinejau.
Minde, kur perki ir po taip pigiai? Kai vilniuj jutos parduotuve prisidare, nebezinau kur pigei dalina.
Tuo labiau kad motociklai 2x didesnem apsukom bruzhina.
>2 sezonus su totalu atvazinejau.
Minde, kur perki ir po taip pigiai? Kai vilniuj jutos parduotuve prisidare, nebezinau kur pigei dalina.
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r7kyc82k wrote:nujo, permeciau lemteles ce gi zieminis tepalas blec. castrolis durnas.
sukt tai suksiu, ne tame esme, esme kad 10w40 ranka nekyla pilti...
reik nusisprest kas yra optimalu ir patikrinta, reik skubei keist tewpalus, o as neapsisprendes. blec.
yra ideja motociklinius pilti, ka manot?:D
Su motocikliniu į auto-atsargiai.Apsukos gal ir didesnės,bet apkrovimai kažin.Panaudojus tokį bajerį autokrose sudilo pask.velenėlio <angliško>kumšteliai.Gamintojas atsakė kad dėl tepimo<aišku niekas nesigyrė kokius tepalus naudojo>.
as jauciu jie is jutos gauna. vietinis servizas apsiskelbes kad gali gautSheikhas wrote:Normali 4taktciams skirta alyva, koks skirtumas ar motociklamas ar auto.
Tuo labiau kad motociklai 2x didesnem apsukom bruzhina.
>2 sezonus su totalu atvazinejau.
Minde, kur perki ir po taip pigiai? Kai vilniuj jutos parduotuve prisidare, nebezinau kur pigei dalina.
nu sakau gauk! sako ok. seip nzn tas tepalas nera gi brangus, 4l x ~2x + filtras, visada toki pas juo pilu tai ir gauna man jie jo. Seip tik reikia pries savaite pasakyti..
Ant "pokelio" parasyta mazdaug taip: sintetine alyva extramaleis rezimais dirbantiems varikliamsED$KA wrote:Cia gi motociklams skirta alyva .... kam tu ja i masina pili ?
http://www.total-spb.ru/engine/print/2/6.html
Manau man tinka
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Zodziu pasiemiau Elf excellium LDX 5W-40 5 litrus ir kazikaip emiau abejoti savo pasirinkimu, nes visi cia tik apie 10W kalbat? Nors toj biblijoj raso: 5W-40 - Ensures good cold starting and quick circulation in freezing temperatures. Gal sakau ziema atvazinesiu ir pakeisiu, nors be problemu dar galeciau pakeisti i kitus tuos elf excellium LDX i kitus. Na padekit apsisprest. dekosiu
Castrol RS 10W-60dzimbo wrote:Zodziu pasiemiau Elf excellium LDX 5W-40 5 litrus ir kazikaip emiau abejoti savo pasirinkimu, nes visi cia tik apie 10W kalbat? Nors toj biblijoj raso: 5W-40 - Ensures good cold starting and quick circulation in freezing temperatures. Gal sakau ziema atvazinesiu ir pakeisiu, nors be problemu dar galeciau pakeisti i kitus tuos elf excellium LDX i kitus. Na padekit apsisprest. dekosiu
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Paskaiciau ir nusprendziau pakeist agip racing 10w60 i agip tecsint 5w40 (su salyga, kad tokio negavau, teko imt tecsint 0w40). Ka manot apie sita rashliava?
I get asked all the time "why do you advise against the use of 10w-60?".
Let's get one thing clear, I supply 10w-60 and recommend it where it is appropriate for the engine or the application but conversly I caution against it's misuse!
I have debated this many times on many car forums and I know there are some that do not agree with me however I have never had a reasonable technical explanation why 10w-60 is in fact suitable, it's certainly not mentioned in the handbooks of many modern highly tuned performance cars, with the exception of some Alfa Romeos for "spirited driving" whatever that is meant supposed mean.
Explaining this is diffucult so there may be questions but I'll try my best to explain it in plain English!
Lets look at what oil specs actually mean and particularly the higher number which is in fact the oils SAE number (the "w" number is in fact the cold crank viscosity and measured in a different way) The SAE number is measured by the oils viscosity at 100degC.
Your cars require according to the manufacturers specs, sae 30, 40 and in some cases sae 50.
To attain the relevent sae number the oil has to be at 100degC (no thinner than)
SAE 30 11cst approx
SAE 40 14cst approx
SAE 50 18cst approx
Centistokes (cst) is the measure of a fluid's resistance to flow (viscosity). It is calculated in terms of the time required for a standard quantity of fluid at a certain temperature to flow through a standard orifice. The higher the value, the more viscous the fluid.
As viscosity varies with temperature, the value is meaningless unless accompanied by the temperature at which it is measured. In the case of oils, viscosity is generally reported in centistokes (cst) and usually measured at 40degC and 100degC.
SAE 60 is in fact 24cst viscosity at 100degC!
This is 33% thicker than an sae 50, 70% thicker than an sae 40 and over 100% thicker than an sae 30!
So, what's the problem with this thickness?
Well, this is measured at 100degC and at lower temps (70-90degC) all oils are thicker than at 100degC so the problem is compounded to some extent.
The downsides of such a thick oil (when not specified) are as follows:
Additional friction, heat and wear.
A reduction of BHP at the wheels
Lower fuel consumption
The thicker the oil is the more friction and drag and the more power the engine needs to move it around the engine which inevitably translates to less at the wheels.
So, when do we spec a thicker oil?
Well, you will probably have seen us on occassions recommending a 10w-50 but only in these circumstances.
1. If the car is heavily modded and heat/oil temperatures are excessive.
2. If the car is used on track and heat/oil temperatures are excessive.
3. If it's required by the handbook.
Our criteria for this is based on oil temps as an sae 40 semi-synthetic can handle around 110degC for limited periods whereas a proper synthetic sae 40 can hande 120-130degC for prolonged periods due to its thermal stability.
Once you see more than say 120degC for prolonged periods an sae 50 is adviseable as it is 18cst at 100degC and still 11cst at 130degC! This is in fact the same as an sae 30 at 100degC.
More importantly at 90degC an sae 40 is 15cst, an sae 50 is 20cst and an sae 60 is 30cst!
In a worst case scenario with thick oils (when not required) is that you will experience air entrainment and cavitation inside the bearings at high RPM. Not clever stuff!
I know this is technical stuff but oil is a combination of science and engineering and few people know enough about it to make an informed choice. Just because your mates use it and have had no problems is not a good enough reason to use it, your engine would prefer and benefit from the correct oil.
Cheers
Simon
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Telephone: 01209 215164
Oil Data: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/lubricants.htm
For Orders please Telephone
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=183840
I get asked all the time "why do you advise against the use of 10w-60?".
Let's get one thing clear, I supply 10w-60 and recommend it where it is appropriate for the engine or the application but conversly I caution against it's misuse!
I have debated this many times on many car forums and I know there are some that do not agree with me however I have never had a reasonable technical explanation why 10w-60 is in fact suitable, it's certainly not mentioned in the handbooks of many modern highly tuned performance cars, with the exception of some Alfa Romeos for "spirited driving" whatever that is meant supposed mean.
Explaining this is diffucult so there may be questions but I'll try my best to explain it in plain English!
Lets look at what oil specs actually mean and particularly the higher number which is in fact the oils SAE number (the "w" number is in fact the cold crank viscosity and measured in a different way) The SAE number is measured by the oils viscosity at 100degC.
Your cars require according to the manufacturers specs, sae 30, 40 and in some cases sae 50.
To attain the relevent sae number the oil has to be at 100degC (no thinner than)
SAE 30 11cst approx
SAE 40 14cst approx
SAE 50 18cst approx
Centistokes (cst) is the measure of a fluid's resistance to flow (viscosity). It is calculated in terms of the time required for a standard quantity of fluid at a certain temperature to flow through a standard orifice. The higher the value, the more viscous the fluid.
As viscosity varies with temperature, the value is meaningless unless accompanied by the temperature at which it is measured. In the case of oils, viscosity is generally reported in centistokes (cst) and usually measured at 40degC and 100degC.
SAE 60 is in fact 24cst viscosity at 100degC!
This is 33% thicker than an sae 50, 70% thicker than an sae 40 and over 100% thicker than an sae 30!
So, what's the problem with this thickness?
Well, this is measured at 100degC and at lower temps (70-90degC) all oils are thicker than at 100degC so the problem is compounded to some extent.
The downsides of such a thick oil (when not specified) are as follows:
Additional friction, heat and wear.
A reduction of BHP at the wheels
Lower fuel consumption
The thicker the oil is the more friction and drag and the more power the engine needs to move it around the engine which inevitably translates to less at the wheels.
So, when do we spec a thicker oil?
Well, you will probably have seen us on occassions recommending a 10w-50 but only in these circumstances.
1. If the car is heavily modded and heat/oil temperatures are excessive.
2. If the car is used on track and heat/oil temperatures are excessive.
3. If it's required by the handbook.
Our criteria for this is based on oil temps as an sae 40 semi-synthetic can handle around 110degC for limited periods whereas a proper synthetic sae 40 can hande 120-130degC for prolonged periods due to its thermal stability.
Once you see more than say 120degC for prolonged periods an sae 50 is adviseable as it is 18cst at 100degC and still 11cst at 130degC! This is in fact the same as an sae 30 at 100degC.
More importantly at 90degC an sae 40 is 15cst, an sae 50 is 20cst and an sae 60 is 30cst!
In a worst case scenario with thick oils (when not required) is that you will experience air entrainment and cavitation inside the bearings at high RPM. Not clever stuff!
I know this is technical stuff but oil is a combination of science and engineering and few people know enough about it to make an informed choice. Just because your mates use it and have had no problems is not a good enough reason to use it, your engine would prefer and benefit from the correct oil.
Cheers
Simon
__________________
Contact mel: sales@opieoils.co.uk
Telephone: 01209 215164
Oil Data: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/lubricants.htm
For Orders please Telephone
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=183840
Na niekur nerandu Elf Excellium 10w-50 Gal kas pirkot kur neseniai ir zinot kur tikrai yra ?
Na cia sena tema labai, bet... gal ziemai netgi geriau butu 5w-40 ?
Gal kas pirkot kur neseniai ir zinot kur tikrai yra ? Na cia sena tema labai, bet... gal ziemai netgi geriau butu 5w-40 ?
'92 S13, some mods = should I go over 500hp?
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