EJ20 tinkamiausios turbinos rinkimas...

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EJ20 tinkamiausios turbinos rinkimas...

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:?: Ar yra cia tokiu kurie rimtai domejosi tokiu klausimu? :) Mane domina:
a) Ball-Bearing
b) Twin-scroll
c) Rekordai px, svarbiausia Nm ir "teisinga galios kreive"
x) Daily drived car
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As taip pat kol kas niekaip negaliu issirinkti tinkamos.
~kiek ag domina?
Jei svarbu greitas uzsiputimas, tai manyciau is paprastesniu twin scroll butu VF36 arba VF37.
Jei daugiau ag - gal koks FP green BB?
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Turetu galioti bendros 2 litru fourbangerio taisykles, tai gal GT3071R? :)
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Conan wrote:Turetu galioti bendros 2 litru fourbangerio taisykles, tai gal GT3071R? :)
O Image 3071R'as ne per didele jau dviems litrams? Sakychiau 2.5'ukui bebarikui butu pati ta "atmosferke".

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:?: O kaip del twin-scroll?
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kwlw wrote:
Conan wrote:Turetu galioti bendros 2 litru fourbangerio taisykles, tai gal GT3071R? :)
O Image 3071R'as ne per didele jau dviems litrams? Sakychiau 2.5'ukui bebarikui butu pati ta "atmosferke".

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geriausios neisrinksi.

vienam reikia, kad vaziuotu kaip dyzelis, kitam, kad ant aukstu pusti...
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kwlw wrote:
Conan wrote:Turetu galioti bendros 2 litru fourbangerio taisykles, tai gal GT3071R? :)
O Image 3071R'as ne per didele jau dviems litrams? Sakychiau 2.5'ukui bebarikui butu pati ta "atmosferke".

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kwlw wrote:O Image 3071R'as ne per didele jau dviems litrams?
Man ji yra didziausia, su kokia vaziuociau gatveje :) Su kukliu .63 A/R butu visai geras variantas. Mat su visokiom ten diskobulvem 400 AG neperlipsi.
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ZLODEY wrote::?: O kaip del twin-scroll?
Jei tu apie JDM versiju turbus, tai minorinis upgrade mano galva.
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Conan wrote:
ZLODEY wrote::?: O kaip del twin-scroll?
Jei tu apie JDM versiju turbus, tai minorinis upgrade mano galva.
twin scroll duoda apie 500-700 rpm greitesni isisukima.
va vienas is pvz:
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Nepadarykit is twin scroll antru ball bearingu... vel mitai ims kurtis. Tai gi tiesiog padalinta kriaukle ir nieko daugiau. Na, ciut anksciau uzsipucia - so what? Vis tiek uzsiputima is esmes pirmiausiai lemia fizinis sparnuociu dydis!
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Na pas mane equal-lenght JDM style (APS) header'iai tai jau ir turbina atitinkama domina...
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Patarimu sioj temoj tikrai nedaug. Matosi Lietuvos subaru tuningo lygis.
P.S. nieks ir nemaiso twin scroll ir ball bearing savoku.
Taip, twin scroll reikalingas vienodo ilgio ismetimas.

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wrx wrote:Patarimu sioj temoj tikrai nedaug. Matosi Lietuvos subaru tuningo lygis.
Nelabai suprantamas nusiskundimas. Tai juk normalu - tik 3,5mln gyventoju net jei nekalbesim apie visa kita...
P.S. nieks ir nemaiso twin scroll ir ball bearing savoku
Ir nesakiau kad maiso...
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spade wrote:
wrx wrote:Patarimu sioj temoj tikrai nedaug. Matosi Lietuvos subaru tuningo lygis.
Nelabai suprantamas nusiskundimas. Tai juk normalu - tik 3,5mln gyventoju net jei nekalbesim apie visa kita...
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:lol: Na gal ir teisingai daro ...... bet visgi prie temos - yra dar nuomoniu koks visgi Garrett'o produktas mano atveju butu tinkamiausias?
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ZLODEY wrote:yra dar nuomoniu koks visgi Garrett'o produktas mano atveju butu tinkamiausias?
Tai neatskleisi tikslu, kiek AG/Nm nori, prie kiek RPM full boost ir t.t.?
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Va va... pasakyk kiek tiksliau i ka taikaisi. Nes suvokimas apie "teisinga galios kreive" gali mazumele skirtis :)
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Imkim tokius skaicius: ~ 350ag / 500 Nm
Full boost prie ~3300rpm (aisku noretusi kuo mazesniu rpm)

P.S. jeigu rinktis tarkim is GT3071R, kokia geriau rinktis karsta dali A/R: 0.63, 0.78(divided), 0.82 ar 1.06

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wrx wrote:Imkim tokius skaicius: ~ 350ag / 500 Nm
:D Nu cia gi ne audi 2.2 turbo 20V :) Nebent daryti "papa" kreivej. Tokiems poreikiams uzteks disko bulves (gt28rs) ir kompo, kad galima butu daug pusti ties viduriu. Kitaip 350/500 sunkiai.
wrx wrote:jeigu rinktis tarkim is GT3071R
Sitos sraiges reikia lipant virs 400 ag.

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Taip, kalba apie skaicius ant veleno aisku.
Siaip GT3071R skirta 1.8L-3.0L, 310-475 ag.

Na ok, o jei 400ag?
Kaip del A/R pasirinkimo?

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http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merch ... y_Code=GRT
:arrow: As is vis ziuriu kad tas turbo "modelis" nelabai ka ir reiskia.... nes yra pilna komponentu is kuriu tu gali surinkti beveik viska pagal savo poreikius (konstruktorius)... :)
Dabartine kreive visai "teisinga" isskirus ta fakta jog noretusi kad anksciau "uzpustu", t.y. dabar ~lygi kreive auga iki ~4.5K ir stabili iki 6.5-7K. As net pasakyciau kad tokie skaiciai kaip ~300-320hp mane pilnai tenkintu (aisku Nm kaip imanoma daugiau, nors ir sankaba neatlaikys :) )... o svarbiausia vel gi, kad butu kreive "for driveability and not for high speed records"
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wrx wrote:P.S. jeigu rinktis tarkim is GT3071R, kokia geriau rinktis karsta dali A/R: 0.63, 0.78(divided), 0.82 ar 1.06
Sistema kaip ir aiski: mazesnis a/r - greiciau uzsipus, bet mazesne max galia. Ir atvirksciai.
Jei ash rinkciausi (su salyga, kad cia mano poreikiams), tai 1.06 iskart atpuola, .86 matyt irgi.
Siaip tai jamciau .63, nebent jei kolektorius padarytas padalintas, tada matyt galima .78 neprarandant spoolo.
ZLODEY wrote:As net pasakyciau kad tokie skaiciai kaip ~300-320hp mane pilnai tenkintu (aisku Nm kaip imanoma daugiau, nors ir sankaba neatlaikys :) )... o svarbiausia vel gi, kad butu kreive "for driveability and not for high speed records"
Hmmm... tai palik tada stokine turba - kam dar isvis kazka burti?
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spade wrote:... tai palik tada stokine turba - kam dar isvis kazka burti?
Tam kad anksciau pustu + more Nm... :)
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